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Fredreichheld4The conference wrapped up with a "fireside" chat with Fred Reichheld, author of The Ultimate Question, with moderation by Dr. Ralph Oliva, Executive Director of the Institute for the Study of Business Markets at Penn State University. His passion for the importance of NPS as a key business metric is clear, and it's hard to argue with the facts. Fred offers some practical advise for those embarking on the NPS journey.


 

The focus on Net Promoter started because he saw a fundamental disconnect in the world. Business had come to the conclusion that loyalty was irrelevant, yet the best businesses were living up to the highest standard, the golden rule. He set on quest to prove that loyalty is driving market leadership.

 

 

 

"You can't grow business unless you treat people so they want to come back and bring their friends," Fred states several times during his discussion.

 

 

When asked what he found most surprising, he indicated that while he worked hard to simplify, he is surprised at how others have oversimplified. Organizations seem to be skipping the fact that NPS is a discipline, not a score. It's not a marketing thing, it's a people thing. People want to be treated in a specific way and when you want to grow, customers come first. 


 

The other area Fred stressed is not to average NPS, which provided a nice link to Rob's segmentation discussion earlier today (see my notes to that talk). Specific customers drive profitable growth, and it's important you look at NPS based on your customer segmentation. Breakthrough innovations come from understanding the most valuable customers across the organization. 


 

An area Fred stressed several times was the cross-functional nature of the NPS discipline. The most successful businesses that have embarked on NPS have not delegated to marketing or research, but kept it at a senior level and started with a few dozen of their most important customers. Senior executives have to drive the change across the organization and get involved directly in following up with customers. 


 

When asked about NPS skeptics, Fred suggests that organizations start by looking at the facts in their own business. You have to know how much to invest for each type of customer.


 

If NPS is to be integrated into the key performance indicators of business success, we must engage the CFO. For those getting started, get your CFO aboard. Until the CFO is onboard you won't get too far. You need them to see that loyalty and the financial metrics work hand in glove.


For those that have existing satisfaction systems, Fred suggests that if it is working great, keep it and don't change it. However, he goes on to point out that 95% of businesses don't have the right system and putting in an NPS framework allows you to step it up to a strategic level and "re-brand" your process to engage your customers.


 

When asked about response rate targets, he has set the bar at 95%. Today's best in class companies are finding 60% or more on their relationship surveys and expect to see that increase. Intuit earlier shared their success of 95% response rates for their Personal Pro Response rates, demonstrating the success you can achieve when you build customer feedback into your products and processes.  Closing the loop with the customer and demonstrating that you are listening is key to driving higher responses rates.


 

In an interesting moment, Fred asked himself a question of who has impressed him the most and turned him into a Promoter, clearly demonstrating his desire to show off his brand advocacy. Not surprisingly he noted Apple. After sharing his personal experiences he went on to explain that when Apple launched their stores they were designed not to sell more product, but to create Promoters. Clearly a strategy that is working for many as I'm currently typing this blog on my new MacBook Pro as a result of several Promoters that had shared their experiences with me! (Blogmaster note: Scott Smith agrees with Fred and Deb; read his blog on Apple and customer experience.)


 

For those of you starting on the NPS journey, Fred offers some practical advice. Get your senior leadership in a room and ask yourself:

  • What is the true objective?
  • What is wrong with the current process? 
  • Who is going to close the loop?

Get your customers involved in designing a program that will engage them and drive the right changes in your business to increase loyalty and drive growth.


 

And finally, when asked about his vision for the future, Fred sees NPS as a new metric system for measuring business success. He hopes to see more people across the enterprise engaged in using the NPS discipline and attending conferences such as this one. This level of adoption will likely lead to the need to audit scores. Once you tie to compensation, funny things will happen. (Blog master note: for a discussion on connecting NPS and compensation, go to this discussion forum link; brief registration process required for viewing.)


 

As the conference wraps up we all have a lot to take home and think about. Thank you to the Satmetrix team that created this opportunity to learn more about how to transform our business and truly adopt the NPS discipline.

Prior to NPS, we had a system that measured one thing, accounting. Business has shifted from the need to treat customers properly to the need to make my profits. While integrating NPS into core business metrics is a journey, we have made great strides in the past couple of years.

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BarrysaikBarry Saik shared the experience of Intuit in using NPS to drive product design and user experience.

 

As anyone who has read The Ultimate Question knows, Intuit has embraced NPS as a key metric of the business. When getting started, they debated whether to invest in competitive benchmarking.  Barry's advice to anyone starting on the NPS journey is to invest the time in mapping yourself relative to your competitors on the growth vs. NPS charts from Fred's book, The Ultimate Question

Another best practice Barry stresses is to use your verbatim comments. When reviewing verbatim comments in more detail you can gleam insights that your survey may not produce. Some tips he offered:

 

 

  • Categorize verbatim comments, ranking themes to provide further analysis of common concerns or opportunities. He shared their own experiences on how the verbatim comments are used to drive product development.
  • Intuit uses a product from Informative that allows the users to "vote" on responses from other customers. This allows an organization to find the top of mind issues they may not have previously offered as options on the survey.
  • Don't let your teams suggest it takes too much time. Print out the comments and comb through them for that nuggets your customers share.

 

It's important as well to look at issues that can affect your data. He shared a number of charts that breaks down their NPS scores by product line and seasonality. Understanding the context of your customer's responses increases your ability to use the data in a relevant manner. A prime example we can all relate to was their NPS scores relative to the tax season. By time-analysis they have found that NPS declined as the tax season progresses since early users are likely to have returns vs. those of us that wait till the last minute to write that check to Uncle Sam.

 

 

Another way Intuit is leading the pack in building Promoters is through their community site, The Inner Circle.  This is an online community where they can engage with promoters in a richer way.  They have found the members enjoy community participation and sharing their ideas with other customers, giving them a great community for building promoters and collecting insights for product development. An unexpected side effect of this community is a 4.5 star rating on Amazon largely driven from customers that had early access to products.

 

 

Intuit has clearly embraced customer centricity and is seeing the results. One of my favorite comments from Barry today was "If you do the right thing and listen to people, they will get on your side and help you out." Too many organization are doing what they think is the right thing for their business and need to re-engineer around doing the right thing for their customers.

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RobmarkeyRob Markey of Bain shares his insights and experiences on how customer segmentation can be used to improve loyalty and drive growth by targeting your offerings in a manner most relevant to your target buyers.


 

There are six basic things that companies should do to define and deliver to their target buyer, yet very few actually do this. 

 

  1. Design their target that have similar needs that can be met by the company
  2. Develop a relevant value proposition
  3. Acquire more attractive customers
  4. Deliver excellent customer experience
  5. Cross sell, grow share of wallet
  6. Deliver more profit per customer

 

Bain research has found that only 23% actually deploy this discipline. Yet the companies that do are experiencing and an additional 10 points of growth.


 

He shared a case study of a Big 4 audit firm faced with little differentiation and slowing growth.  Through segmentation analyses they found larger companies in regulated industries made up the larger percentage of profitable Promoters. Through better aligning resources with this segment and re-branding to focus their attention in these markets, they expect to achieve double digit organic growth.


 

In another case study, Bain assisted a pet store chain that was experiencing a declining stock price. Through segmentation and understanding the "pet parent," they transformed the store layout and developed new services to specifically target this segment. As a result of their focus on this buyer they have enjoyed significant turnaround in their stock price. 


 

The difference between satisfaction and loyalty is ordinary serviced delivered exceptionally, and exceptional services/features delivered well. "Moments of truth" must be prioritized so you can address those most valued by your customers. Rob introduced a quadrant for evaluating touch points along two axes: potential to delight and impact of failure. This allows an organization to evaluate those touch points that may have the greatest impact on customer loyalty. From here, organizations should view their processes from the customer prospective vs. their own internal functions. This is the key to unlocking the value.


 

Rob leaves us with an important point. Don't ask the ultimate question unless you are prepared to listen. This has been a consistent them of putting NPS into action.

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Simon Lyons, the global head of marketing and communication at Aggreko, Plc doesn't care about any of the occasional criticism of the NPS metric by academics. "NPS is directionally-correct, and it's so simple! Nothing else is so useful for focusing the entire organization on the customer!" During his presentation today, Simon showed a disguised example from Aggreko's actual results showing a tight correlation between NPS performance and revenue growth.


 

Simon introduced a number of interesting frameworks during his talk. One simple and thought-provoking framework is illustrated below:

 

 

 

 

 

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Simon accurately stresses the fundamental difference between looking at current financial results vs. NPS results: financial results tell you how the company did yesterday/today, while NPS tells you how well the company will be doing tomorrow. Financial results are lagging indicators, while NPS is a leading indicator.


Apparently, the Aggreko board "gets it" as, according to Simon, "the white-hot heat of the board is focused on any executive in the organization whose unit doesn't do well on the NPS score."

 

For more details, read about their Net Promoter program with Satmetrix here: http://www.satmetrix.com/casestudies/aggreko.htm

 

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According to Martyn Christian, prior to 2002, FileNet had a fragmented approach to the customer, with no measurement of customer advocacy. Between 2002 and 2006, FileNet improved their NPS score from -6.3 to +20; an increase of over 26 points! How did they accomplish such a feat? By creating a customer-centric culture...

They created a Customer Loyalty Council led by Martyn, the company's chief marketing officer, and including the lead executives from all departments. While other companies focused on financial results primarily, FileNet kicked off each week with a Monday morning meeting focused on customers! They wrote up all the improvement efforts they completed in response to customer feedback (32 in all) and shared the document with customers and prospects as sales collateral! They even did the previously-unthinkable: they had software developers call actual customers on the phone to hear the feedback directly!


The result is such fierce customer advocacy that FileNet has won business away from competitors despite earning a substantial price premium. That premium is called the value of customer loyalty.

An even bigger payoff came last October 12 when IBM paid $1.6 billion to acquire FileNet!

 

For more details, read about their Net Promoter program with Satmetrix here: http://www.satmetrix.com/casestudies/ibm.htm

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SimonlyonsAnd lastly in the B2B track we heard from Simon Lyons, Global head of Marketing & Communications at Aggreko. He clearly demonstrated his mastery of NPS and driving change in his organization.


 

Simon described being motivated by the feeling of lacking meaningful data in the boardroom. While the financial team brought in their data, the marketing team was looking in the rear view mirror and not driven by the voice of the customer. He found Fred's HBR article (The One Number You Need to Grow) a defining moment, embraced the simplicity of NPS, and rallied the organization around it.


 

Internal selling required he break the silos and move marketing to the bleeding edge. Others sensed a shift in power and skepticism in the data. Simon pushed on and embarked on a NPS journey.

 

They developed a 10-question survey with the following components:


 

  • Would you recommend?
  • 4 questions to understand the drivers of loyalty
  • Value for money
  • Experience variance on expectation (open)
  • Nominate one area of improvement (open)

 

The benefits were clear. Real-time data gave them the opportunity to respond immediately. Through account level engagement they were able to justify the system in one deal uncovered by the sales rep due to follow-up from the survey process.


 

Simon states, "NPS has changed our business". It's standardized, customer-defined and fact-based. It has given increased visibility into the relative value of loyalty drivers and recalibrated operational efficiency at the customer interface.


 

Not unlike other speakers, keys to success included CEO-driven, integration into the business, and executive buy-in as indicator of growth. In fact today, every area manager at Aggreko knows his or her score and loyalty data is included in the board package as a key indicator of the health of the business. (Blog master note: this is a similar strategy noted in Andy Sernovitz's blog on Experian's best practices.)


 

Simon took us on a journey of evaluating the financial health of the business through the loyalty lens. As Simon shared several charts and graphs used throughout his organization, it strikes me that we are creating a framework for evaluating the health of the business similar to the traditional financial metrics such as the P & L and balance sheet. We have a real opportunity to shift the focus from current state analysis to predictive analysis of the future business.

 


Could this be a sign of things to come?

 

For more details, read about their Net Promoter program with Satmetrix here: http://www.satmetrix.com/casestudies/aggreko.htm

 

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MartinchristianMartyn Christian, Vice President, Marketing & Content Management at FileNet shared with us his journey of deploying an enterprise-wide customer loyalty program.


 

When embarking on the program, they had the following goals:


  • Increase Promoter population
  • Increase customer and partner loyalty
  • Increase revenue & profitability
  • Increase sales efficiency
  • Build barriers to entry for competitors

 

 

Previously they had a fragmented customer relationships model and no way to evaluate customer experience. Since deploying their program they have enjoyed a 26% increase in NPS, increased revenue, and growing profits.


 

Some of the best practices included:


 

  • Based on customer feedback, they developed 32 company wide improvements and shared this plan with their customers. That is another common success factor shared by many — communicating results and action plans with your customer.

 

  • The CEO laid out a strategy to drive financial performance including a customer loyalty goal for all employees. Can you say executive sponsorship?

 

  • They involved all employees with customers, from engineers to executives. The CEO even took to this seriously enough to review customer satisfaction issues on a global call every Monday morning. Now, that's organizational alignment!

 

  • They defined a strategy map where they clearly tied growth to enhancing customer value, and operational goals were defined from the customer prospective (based on real customer feedback).

 

  • Immediate action was taken with customers that scored 6 or less. The response would be reviewed and assigned it to someone to call the customer immediately. Sounds like accountability to me.

 

Filenet created customer advocacy to the point where in one story they had a customer willing to go to the boardroom and promote a multi-million dollar purchase vs. a competitor offer for "free". The customer was successful in selecting Filenet and shortly afterwards IBM acquired Filenet for $1.6B. Now that's results.


 

Their #1 learning was that this is a change for the people inside the company. Emphasize accountability, goals and educating people so they are able to deliver. Some other tips offered:


 

  • Don't over complicate, keep it simple
  • Create strong transition/change management — remember it takes time
  • Share information across all disciplines — find the change agent
  • Rethink functional roles and responsibilities
  • Integrated into compensation
  • Do not call this program or initiative, it's a way of doing business
  • Prepare the company — education through out the organization

For more details, read about their Net Promoter program with Satmetrix here: http://www.satmetrix.com/casestudies/ibm.htm

 

 

 

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PanelWe wrapped up Day one with a panel discussion moderated by Richard Owen with executive participation from Charles Schwab, GE Real Estate, and Mellon Investor Services. In their opening comments, each of the panelists shared a summary of where they are today regarding NPS. 


 

Troy Stevenson of Charles Schwab shared important insight from "Chuck." In a recent meeting, Chuck indicated that focusing on the customer was a guiding principle for how they built the business and lack of focus in the organization caused it to lose their way: an important lesson for all of us as the business grows and your attention moves from customer-centric to financial-centric metrics.

 

 

Bernhard Klein Wassink of GE Real Estate shared how they found the need to build both a marketing and loyalty focus. Bernhard has built the marketing organization based on the insights they found from their customer feedback processes.


 

Barton Hill of Mellon Investor Services shared his challenges of being in a mature, competitive market where supply exceeds demand. They started on an NPS journey as a result of identifying ways to differentiate. While traditional market research gave them initial customer insight, they needed a continuous process for evaluating customer pain points and delivering relevancy.


 

Richard started the discussion with the question of how well the organization embraces customer centricity as a core value. All responses clearly demonstrate customer centricity as a core value.  Mellon found that market research data was not timely enough to engage the organization and they find value in real-time feedback. GE found that value in simplicity and how the people on the front line were able to take this and run with it. Schwab found that the field was thrilled to see the focus driven from the top.


 

It's clear that executive sponsorship and focus is critical to success. Yet, when the audience responded to the question of how many organizations have the CEO as the key driver of customer loyalty less than 20% of the room raised their hands!


 

Next we went on to discuss the elements of program design. Both GE and Schwab have found value in rapidly taking action around detractors as a critical element of their program. Mellon found that most deals come from referrals, so they have focused on driving new business through client references. 


 

There were so many great insights shared, but in the spirit of sharing the most interesting points, here's a summary of other key takeaways:


 

  • Schwab found NPS higher in touchpoint surveys because of the recent interaction
  • GE found that promoters had 84% higher likelihood for repeat business
  • Mellon was able to double win rates by using NPS to select customer references in new pursuits vs. account team-reported relationship metrics
  • All participants suggested you focus on pilots before full rollout
  • None of the participants are linking employee loyalty to customer loyalty, yet; all indicated this might be a future initiative.

 

Throughout the day there has been a great deal of discussion around the correlation of growth and NPS. While there are many factors that drive growth, who can argue that loyal customers drive financial performance? My observation is that the organizations on the stage today truly embrace customer centricity. This may cause them to build better products, improve service touch points and communicate in a more customer-relevant manner. While this may not specifically tie to their NPS measurement programs, they are all factors that improve customer acquisition and retention. Doesn't that mean that building a customer centric enterprise drives profitable growth? Isn't NPS a measure of customer centricity?   


 

Today has been a great day of sharing best practices and lessons learned. I'm looking forward to another exciting day tomorrow including insights from Fred Reichheld, Bain and Intuit.

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In the B2B track, we heard from Dr. Laura Brooks of Satmetrix, Martyn Christian of FileNet, and Simon Lyons of Aggreko. All of these presentations highlight key themes for success in realizing gains in NetPromoter scores that drive business results. The consistent themes of these speakers clearly demonstrate best practices that must be deployed to drive growth.


 

To start with Laura shares her research on the best practices observed in the Satmetrix customer base. By analyzing customers, she has found 4 key elements to success:

 

  • Executive foundation: This is not a vision or mission statement, but a way of doing business, led from the top. This means putting investment behind it and driving change throughout the organization. This is key to realizing the value of NPS. If your leadership is paying lip service to customer centricity, you will not see the value of NPS or any loyalty program.
  • Organizational alignment: We heard this as a key theme to Experian's success earlier today as Laura DeSoto shared the techniques they deployed to align the organization around delivering a superior customer experience. To what extent does every part of the organization really focus on the customer and how to you translate that to every employee's role?
  • System infrastructure: You need the supporting system infrastructure to enable the collection, analysis and accountability of customer insights. You must have the systems in place to deliver data quickly to every employee and make it actionable. We heard from several speakers today that traditional market research data is not timely enough to enable the organization to quickly respond to customer feedback.
  • Process integration: You must integrate the data into the natural flow of the business to truly drive customer centricity throughout the business.

 

Laura's presentation had much more insight into the best practices for moving your Net Promoter score. John Williams shares more in his posting "Measure Who Matters!"

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