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Fred Reichheld has been thinking about the link between customer loyalty and a company's financial performance for 30 years. Somehow recently Fred has sparked a negative response from the market research community. So there you have it, a picture of Fred as the devil. Fred makes the point that Net Promoter is not intended to be the world's best predictor of future performance. Perhaps the best predictor of future performance is superior management based on intense focus on the customer. NPS is a tool for managers to drive a customer-centered strategy. That indeed is likely to lead to improved performance in the future.

 

 

NPS is different because it is motivational, it encourages people to want to invest in a relationship. The real goal is to turn everyone into a 10. Wouldn't we rather do business with someone whose customers are likely to strongly recommend them? Wouldn't you rather work for a company who delivers such value that customers strongly recommend? It is rather simple. More fundamentally, it strikes at the universal basis of good relationships -- the Golden Rule. Southwest Airlines, Four Seasons, and eBay, as examples, all practice the Golden Rule. Look at the eBay feedback system. eBay sellers need to maintain a good reputation by treating people right, otherwise their trust score dives.

 

 

How many people have gone to jail for fudging financial numbers? I think we read about it weekly. How many people have gone to jail for fudging loyalty scores? That would be zero! Fred's point is that our value system is controlled by the profit motive, without attention to long term value. Companies get away with bad profits all the time. Yet all of the companies who practice bad profits measure some form of customer satisfaction. Fred's slide pictured this as a gorilla (financial accounting) against a puppy dog (loyalty measures).

 

 

NPS is radical because it forces bad profits out of the system. NPS, if applied correctly, will come into conflict with short term gain. The Golden Rule does not come for free.

 

 

The business inspiration for NPS was Andy Taylor, CEO of Enterprise Rent-A-Car, who commented that the real way to know if your business is going to grow, is if your customers will come back and bring their friends. Enterprise took the customer satisfaction survey out of market research and put it in the hands of operations. To keep it simple he reduced the survey to two questions: "Would you recommend?" and "Why?" The field was made responsible. Promotions were tied to the results.

 

At Enterprise, cheating on or fudging the numbers will cost you your job. So the core learning here on NPS is primarily front-line, bottom-up oriented. Fred made the point that many people believe in NPS, but then turn it into a survey administered top-down and tied to bonus. NPS is intended to drive fast front-line changes that will improve customer experience; a measure that drives fast change.

 

 

Fred then presented the case for segmenting your business to focus on the strategic drivers of growth; accounts he calls "angels". Angels are accounts that are profitable and are promoters. Fred asked who in the audience knew their angels? I didn't see any hands.

 

 

Fred went on to talk about the Charles Schwab story of taking a -35 NPS in 2004 to a +23 in 2007. Success was a combination of a localized effort, training, and root cause analysis, etc.

 

 

Fred closed with a reiteration of linking the Golden Rule to NPS. It is simple in concept but there is a test to make sure you are applying NPS:

 

  • Are you categorizing promoters?
  • Is there a systematic process in place for reducing number of detractors?
  • Is there a process in place to identify and grow profitable promoters?
  • Is there leadership commitment?

 

 

Fred was asked what to do if you don't have close contact with your customers. He mentioned in response, that one way to remedy this is to build an online community for customers. He referenced his work with Intuit's Inner Circle customer community and Informative, which is now part of Satmetrix. He suggested this is a good way to get close to customers and to engage them in conversations that will drive improvements.

 

 

Fred reiterated this in a second question suggesting that a community is a good way to get customers talking, learn ways to make improvement even before rolling out a full-blown program.

 

 

Fred then responded to a question on NPS and employees (B2E). He believes we now need to look at how we can use NPS to transform employee management. He talked about how Bain ranked managers based on their NPS scores from their team members. The scores were published and the bottom half do not get promoted.

 

 

Throughout the session, Fred spoke to the battle between the Gorilla (financial accounting) and the Big Dog (loyalty scores with teeth). The issue is how to give power to the Golden Rule.  Enterprise is a pioneer.  All impactful implementations of NPS will drive cultural change that focuses on customer loyalty; The Big Dog.

 

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Kip Knight, Vice President of Marketing at eBay, spoke about Investing in Community and NPS to Drive Customer Loyalty. 248 million people are registered on eBay creating a worldwide online marketplace.

 

Over 1.3 million people make all or part of their living on eBay. eBay defines community as everyone who has a relationship with eBay including buyers, sellers, employees, and users of Skype to select a few examples. eBay sees community as a strategic differentiator. Members actively engaged with eBay have a higher NPS, sell more, buy more and in general are more valuable customers.

 

 

The eBay community as defined has both online and off-line components. eBay Live events are a significant part of the eBay community initiative. Online, eBay has a number of channels including The Chatter which is a blog that keeps eBay community members aware of what is going on. Also, the Voices Program is an ongoing group of 300 active members that are invited in four  to six times a year to function as an advisory group to eBay management.

 

 

The first loyalty tool at eBay was the Feedback System which was a way for the community to monitor itself. While the system is widely used, eBay still felt NPS was needed and has made it part of eBay's DNA. In fact, NPS is the only forward looking metric eBay uses. NPS is measured top down via an ongoing sampling of buyers and sellers. Bottom up NPS is measured at the transactional level. eBay is able to tie NPS to other online behaviors. NPS is used as a "Red Alert" to reach out to at risk, high value buyers.

 

 

The NPS program was not launched until this year, 2008. Counted as an early win is the fact that senior executives are now reading customer verbatim statements. And internal NPS workshops are driving action. A key early learning from implementing the program is knowing what to centralize and what to delegate; centralize data gathering, delegate insights and evangelism. The learning process is ongoing.

 

eBay's online community is the company's biggest asset. NPS is a primary used vehicle for staying in touch with Community members. While there were challenges in implementing NPS at eBay, it was considered well worth the effort.

 

 

One question from the audience was: Have you been able to track the value of an eBay community member? Kip responded that eBay is putting measures in place to link NPS with behavior. From this they hope to build a Net Promoter economics model.

 

 

A second question was "Why did he recommend a company take its time implementing NPS?" Kip made the analogy to "test markets." It is important to learn first since it is hard to recover from a false start.

 

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Having completed the first day of the conference, it certainly feels that the subject of communities is a growing concept for developing deeper relationships with customers; and a customer community perspective is a perfect partner to a more established loyalty program. Communities and the relationship with NPS were also the focus of the start to Day 2, articulated by a great speaker and veteran of the community concept, Kip Knight from eBay.

 

Now, you would be forgiven for thinking that eBay see their community solely in terms of their online existence but it was great to hear from Kip that their concept of community goes much deeper and wider. Before looking at this further, let's just refresh on the background of the company.

  • Started in 1995, after a year of operations there were 41,000 users on eBay. Today there are over 248 million people active on eBay.
  • The vision of the company is to make it possible for practically anyone to sell practically anything in a worldwide marketplace.
  • At any one time, there will be 103 million items for sale on the site.
  • Over 1.3 million people make a large part or all of their living trading on eBay.

The eBay community itself is defined in terms of including everyone who has a relationship with the company. That really does include everyone --  from buyers and sellers to partners, vendors and associate organisations. This is known as eBay's eco-system and through the online platform and wider community, eBay have developed their strategic differentiation through a unique asset and developed a real tool to promote and develop loyalty and retention.

Perhaps the key driver of the success enjoyed by eBay is the early focus that was placed on a set of values underpinning the business. Those values were outlined as:

 

  • People are basically good.
  • Recognise and respect each person as unique individuals.
  • Everyone has something to contribute.
  • Treat others as you would want to be treated.
  • An honest, open environment will bring out the best in people.

 

As well as developing the online feedback tool, offline eBay has continued to develop the honest, open environment through live discussion events, "Bay In Person" visits, open dialogue and the member advisory group, Voices, who assist with ongoing developments. What eBay has found is that the more a member of the community is involved, the stronger their promoter status. And that involvement should not be limited to the online interaction.

 

So how does NPS fit into all of this? Well, first of all Fred Reichheld's Golden Rule is articulated as one of the core values. Secondly, eBay felt that the discipline would be core to developing best practice improvements, increasing competitive awareness, focusing on incremental investments and really enabling a deep-dive understanding of their members loyalty behaviour. The NPS discipline also appealed because it was based on a simple concept metric, it was easy to articulate and it provided a forward looking metric for the business.

 

Interestingly enough, as with some of my customers, it was not specifically the "Recommend" question that eBay used. After researching and analysing the data, it was found that "Intend to Buy" was a better-correlating metric for their business. They are now moving to "Recommend" as it certainly is relevant to their business and it does allow for more benchmarking comparisons across a wider range of organisations as so many comapnies are using it as a key metric today.

eBay have melded their community and NPS program into a coherent approach to loyalty. It didn't happen overnight and Kip and the team spent time in defining and planning the program (you only get the one opportunity to implement this!), building the foundation and they are now moving into further evaluation and expansion.

 

Kip's key learnings from the implementation are:

 

  • Know when to centralise and when to delegate
  • Never stop learning
  • Process is king
  • One size does not fit all

 

And yes, it's not simple in any organisation to implement a loyalty program -- it comes with its own set of unique challenges; but as Kip ably demonstrated -- it's worth it!

 

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