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New York Conference Blog 2010

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Rounding out the Hi-Tech track, Tabitha Dunn, Director of Customer Insights for Citrix Online - the home of such celebrated projects as GoTo Meeting, GoTo Assist and GoTo Webinar - shared some insights about how NPS can be a driver of corporate priorities.

 

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In the case of Citrix Online, the driver was product development and innnovation.

 

Tabitha gave us a veiled look at the projected numbers for a top-secret new project coming from Citrix Online. We were able to see the projections, but we don't know what the product is...yet. We got the distinct impression that the new product might hit digital shelves in about a month or so. Exciting!

 

Tabitha took the time to answer a lot of participant questions -- so much so that we had a mic runner in the room the entire time, but here are a few top-level take-aways:

 

  • Make sure you ask what people really want. And when you ask, get to the bottom of why they want what they want. Delivering on the wrong want/need can deliver low NPS scores. Tabitha gave the example of Citrix Online's customers asking for a smart phone client for their GoTo MyPC product. On the surface, it appeared that people wanted to be able to visit their computer desktops from their smart phone. But, when asked why they wanted to be able to do this and pointing out that the screen would be very tiny, etc., it turns out that users wanted to be able to access files in case they forgot them while traveling, for instance. (I personally think that some sort of file transfer product is what Citrix Online is launching in a month or so - some sort of GoTo MyFiles or something - but I can't be sure and certainly have no inside knowledge of such. It would be a good move for them though.)
  • Tabitha said, "The 'money' question is: how can we get from a 5 to a 10?" Meaning, the true value to a company's NPS program lies in figuring out how to drive improvement.
  • After seeing the various financial models and NPS/CX programs they've built, I chimed in and asked how long it took them to achieve what they've done. Her answer: 11 months and 2 full-time active team members. Wow, way to go Citrix.

 

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Satmetrix' own, Deborah Eastman delivered a presentation that was chock-full of common sense and hard-won insight with the theme: "Increasing Retention & Repurchase through an Integrated Account Management Program".

 

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Some highlights were:

  • Account relationships are complex and traditional sales methodologies give a biased view of what's really going on in your accounts. You might want to read that again, it's not as simple as it sounds. Deborah gave the example of some sales folks saying, "I play golf with that guy all the time - he loves us!" Yet, when the NPS numbers come back, it shows an entirely different picture. The lesson here is grabbing a few brewskis and circling around the green with a key account does not a high NPS core make.
  • Watch your language.  Deborah also hammered home that B2B account management programs should not be treated, viewed or referred to as research. An Integrated Account Management (IAM) program is not research - it's operational. They are also not surveys. Surveys are about you. Take note: if you start referring to your IAM or CX programs as surveys, so will everyone else. Refer to it as customer feedback...it might seem like a small nuance but people associate different things (and it's not always the association we want) with the word 'survey'. Stay mindful of this.
  • A good benchmark for B2B response rates is at least 50% - settle for no less. And, lead with your response rates. It's a bit off-the-mark to boast an NPS score of 80% and only have a 3% response rate. Not only are you missing the picture, but you're missing the value having the complete picture provides to your organization.
  • Don't forget your communication skills. Relay feedback to make sure you understood the feedback you're getting. It takes no time to pick up the phone and say, "Hey Bob, based on this last round of feedback, I understand X, Y and Z. Is that correct?" And, in fact, having conversations like this has led to more sales and repeat business. Relationships net you more diagnostic information and more information leads to better solutions.
  • That said, don't be tempted to look at CX programs as just sales efforts - CX should affect the company structure.
  • Keep in mind, too, that every person is not the same. Within one account, there are generally three types of people: decision-makers, influencers and end users. Be clear about what side of the fence you fall on with each group. End users may love your company, but if the decision makers don't, there's trouble in paradise. Look at how your NPS maps to each role.
  • Closed loop should happen with everyone -- not just detractors. Take the time to close the loop with promoters and passives -- and even non-responders. There's value in getting to the bottom of the numbers with real, live conversations with people. Ask promoters exactly how they came to be a promoter and then don't be shy about asking for referrals. Remember, closed loop conversations can generate income!
  • Link NPS to reference and referral programs. Marketing is usually looking for great case studies, PR is looking for customers/clients to talk to the media and sales is always looking for referrals - make sure these teams are cross-pollinating content.
  • Don't forget to leverage your wins! Have a balance. There's nothing wrong with focusing on areas of improvement, but it's a bit demoralizing for your team if all you're doing is fixing or pointing out what's broken.
  • When you can, map NPS goals to overall corporate goals. The idea being that the corporate goals already have energy and attention and NPS while having its own focus will benefit from the updraft.
  • Don't relegate NPS to an annual cycle. NPS needs to be on a quarterly cycle right along with sales results and forecasts. Focusing on NPS annually makes it more of an 'exercise' than a way your organization does business.

 

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Deborah Eastman – Satmetrix

 

It’s always a please to hear Deborah speak. In the past I’ve been fortunate enough to have her teach part of my NPS Certification class. One of the great things about Deborah is that she has really walked the talk. When she speaks it’s from real experience of implementing NPS programs in complex, international B2B environments prior to her joining the Satmetrix team.

 

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During this session we heard a about Deborah’s time with Bearing Point and the successful NPS-based key account program she introduced. It was a really interesting insight to hear that when returning there some years later on a consulting engagement she saw exactly the same issues and customer feedback were still present in the business. They had been unable to leverage all the excellent feedback they had and move to action.

 

If there was one thing Deborah wanted us to catch it was the need to act.

 

Deborah outlined that B2B account relationships are complex. In B2C everyone is (mostly) equal but in B2B we have to focus on who is the decision maker, who are the influencers, who are the end users. In addition, often overlooked, your account management organization is often equally complex. Stitching those two organizations together in an operational program is really the key challenge:

 

  • this complexity gives us multiple points of potential failure, that can impact the whole account. But also lot’s of opportunities to delight.
  • We have to be cautious that without an NPS program we have a biased view of B2B relationships -> Account teams are not always facing the reality of the health of the relationships

 

In that context Deborah emphasized again that this is not a research project – it must be an operational program to open the dialogue, and one that’s not related to a sales opportunity or a service intervention. It’s not a survey to calculate a score; it’s a way in which you engage with customers in a continuous improvement cycle:

 

1. Contact selection and recruitment

2. Non-response alert follow-up

3. Team review and action planning

4. Account closed loop

5. Structural action and communications

 

Coming back again to the internal account team structure, Deborah then spent time highlighting that the account team is not just the sales organization – we have to include all the key players that interact with the accounts, e.g. service and support organizations, regional/general management, etc. Looking at the typical concerns amongst those different groups really gave an insight into how the success of the account is a shared responsibility.

 

Towards the end Deborah pulled out a few key points that we’d do well to track in our own programs:

 

  • Active recruitment of customers into the program is key to drive response rates from the right contacts. Don’t drop a survey on them without warning. It has to be described in terms of how it’s part of the ongoing relationship, and that it is not just a survey.
  • It’s about engaging employees to collect and exploit the feedback - not about having them sit on the side lines watching the score. Be cautious in tying compensation to the scores too early – it will just drive employees towards gaming the system
  • Watch response rates carefully – less than 50% response rates means your teams are not engaging and you are not capturing a good picture of the real situation.But take care it’s representative of the different roles also (decision maker, influencer, end user) - it’s no good if all responses are from one population.

 

In summary:

  • these programs are here to drive to growth (it’s not about a survey, so change your vocabulary)
  • it’s about dialog not the score, the score comes from the actions we make
  • action has to come at all levels throughout the organization to be effective at transforming the relationship

 

So, another great session and a good close to today’s B2B track!

 

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Steven Nicks from Satmetrix helped us think of a successful program in terms of 5 key questions.

 

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Q1 How does program design impact our ability to take action?
Foundation: organizational alignment, executive commitment
Infrastructure: technology and business process
Action: Operational and strategic improvements
Results: retention, repurchase and referral


There are traits that determine success:

-->NPS is used to drive operational changes
-->NPS is central to core strategy
-->The goal is to create promoters


You need to think how customers interact and the channels they interact through so you can design the right listening posts.

 

Q2 How does survey design impact your ability to take action?
Typical surveys start with questions...better approach is to start with dashboard design and all reporting needs. You should understand how your business is going to consume data.
Three things to keep in mind:

  • know your stakeholders
  • understand your segmentation
  • let your dashboards be your guide (avoid group survey design).

 

Q3 How does sample strategy impact your ability to take action?

Key thing around sampling is representation. Make sure it maps to your business. You also don't want your sampling to impact your score. Trustworthy data are essential for executive support and actionability. The things that make data trustworthy are asking the right questions of the right customers at the right time.


The standard to judge data...are you willing to make decisions based on the data?

 

Q4 How does the closed loop process impact your ability to take action?
You need to design your closed loop process around a clear plan of action. Although 100% closed loop is ideal, that often is not feasible. You should look at:

  • which customers do you want to follow up
  • who does the follow up
  • when it should occur (within 48 hours)
  • what happens after follow up and
  • how should follow up be handled.

 

Q5 How does technology impact your ability to take action?


Map out your program and use that map to figure out where you need technical support. Start with process design.


A general question that came up:

 

How do you get the right contacts?
- In B2C..billing and end user are same, so less of an issue. Sometimes need creative strategies to gather email.


- In B2B..use carrot and stick. Sales needs to be involved. As carrot, educate the organization to value the sales team by showing the info they can get. The stick is to show publicly the gaps in contacts in team meetings.

 

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Michele Berman – VeriSign

 

For more than 10 years VeriSign has been at the heart of developing a secure Internet. I think most of us have at some point seen the VeriSign Secured Seal - it was amazed to hear that it’s served over 150 million times a day!

 

VeriSign’s program journey resonated very strongly with my own experience. Michele outlined that when she began to work on NPS program in VeriSign in 2006 she had to transform an existing loyalty program that just wasn’t working. A proprietary loyalty formula was confusing employees and nobody knew what to do with the results. So in 2008 Michele began implementation of NPS after recognizing the value coming from its simplified model.

 

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Adoption into the organization at all levels was rapid. Launching a customer 1st initiative Michele highlighted that the program was endorsed at the most senior levels, including with the CEO level, and supported by action planning teams across the business.

 

The Wave 1 rollout, under the leadership of a central team, focused on quarterly surveys across the complete VeriSign business.They paid particular attention to the trigger for closed-loop follow up. The small size of the central team meant they had to project the resources and time required to implement the follow up, to be sure they could cope with the volume. I think that was a really smart move and would strongly encourage you to do the same – it’s simple to start a survey process but if you’re not prepared to manage the follow-up it can rapidly have the opposite effect on customers whose expectations you’ve just raised, and overwhelm your program before it’s begun.

 

Michele then highlighted what I though was a great simple and effective economic model that analyzed the impact of their Detractor management processes:

 

  • first track the number of customers triggering follow up
  • then track the percentage of those where successful re-contract was made
  • then track the percentage of those where a improvement of the customer relationship was felt during the contact -> calculate their current economic value revenue protected
  • finally track the percentage of those where additional financial commitment was realized -> verify the additional revenue = revenue generated

 

Key learning points discussed by Michele from this Wave 1 included:

 

  • involvement across the whole business was really needed. The small central team would never be enough to keep pace with the speed of feedback and the need follow-up
  • ‘Would you like a follow-up’ is not a good question. If people say ‘no’ you can’t go further!
  • $1.2 m on revenue protected/generated on the initial closed-loop actions gave people a taste for what could be realized if they pushed harder to recall all Detractors

 

The Wave 2 described by Michele incorporated those points, plus industrialized the process further:

 

  • Strong process flow was setup with clearer roles and responsibilities
  • improved training was enabled by real data + case studies and scripts made employees more comfortable
  • frequency was moved from quarterly to twice a year -> there wasn’t enough time to really develop actions and make progressive on a quarterly schedule
  • the follow-up process was made more robust, with guidelines on how to probe for root-cause + an increased emphasis on empathy during the follow-up

 

At the conclusion I was really impressed by the how rapidly VeriSign had optimized their speed of follow-up we saw that they moved from a 2-4 week closed-loop timeframe to a 5 day period with the vast majority within the ideal 2-day range. You could really see the positive effect of that in their updated economic model.

 

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Oliver Bendzsa - Export Development Canada

 

I’m very pleased to see that this year’s conference is making the split between B2B and B2C, allowing us more time to focus on the unique challenges we face in a B2B environment.

 

Oliver Bendzsa.JPGOliver’s case study of a governmental financial services organization certainly resonates in today’s context of low confidence in the efficiency of many of those institutions. EDC is Canada’s credit agency dedicated to helping exporters and investors develop their overseas business. What’s unique about EDC in their domain is that they operate on commercial principles. Highlighting how advocacy has driving growth during EDC’s journey towards ‘Customer Centricity’.

 

Oliver commented on the key benefits from their program:

 

      • constructive feedback has allowed them drive diversification of their portfolio and broaden their offer
  • they’ve been able to validate that customers are repurchasing more and buying more of their wider portfolio
  • they’ve seen a strong boost in customer referrals. Previously 20%, the referral rate has now reached 50% allowing EDC now to be more selective and effective in their marketing efforts
  • employees love working with Promoters. Employee moral has grown sharply, attrition rate is down and EDC is now consistently one of the top 100 employers in Canada.

 

Likening it to snowball effect where employee engagement has grown rapidly, EDC found that putting the information in the hands of employees plus liking it to employee compensation has strongly supported their engagement. However, Oliver cautioned that the link with compensation can in some cases push people to focus too much on the validity of the measure and not enough on the actions.

 

Looking at the main action areas we heard about several key initiatives at EDC that has resulted in a progressive growth of ~ +40 points during the 3 years since launching the program:

 

  • speed was identified as a key driver for the exporters; being able to get a fast answer from EDC is critical for their ability to catch market opportunities. Adoption of ‘Lean’ methods helped to optimize EDC processes and remove the ‘wasted space’.
  • multiple legacy systems often obscured the real customer picture causing inefficiency and inconsistency in following-up the feedback. Oliver highlighted that ‘cleaning’ the customer database has to be a priority so that you can be clear on who you are talking with. A dedicated project to implement unified CRM helped EDC a lot there.
  • recognizing that EDC’s initial sample approach wasn’t working (250 accounts but only 25 responded) Oliver migrated to a census approach guaranteed a more representative picture that could really be used to drive the right actions.

 

Oliver ended on a very interesting note. We heard from him that closing the loop means more than calling back detractors (which they do, of course). It also means thanking customers for taking the time to give their feedback. Oliver ran a short video message, prepared by EDC’s senior leaders, that will be shared shortly with their customers. It seemed a great way to demonstrate the sincerity of the company to really act on their customer’s valuable feedback.

 

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One of the most exciting things about Net Promoter is that in building your NPS, you create a tremendous asset. Promoters will not only buy from you, and keep buying for you--they are are also far more likely to:

 

- refer business to you

- take reference calls and site visits

- provide testimonials (check out these impressive video testimonials from Intel's website.)

- participate on yoru social media sites

- say great things about you on other social media sites

- speak about you at industry events

- engage in customer co-design

- participate in advisory boards

- participate in marketing and advertising and initiatives

 

In other words, you have a community of highly credible sources that can help improve your sales, marketing and branding efforts in measurable ways.

 

I think the next great question for NPS is, "How do we organize our promoters into customer reference programs, advisory boards, online and in-person customer communities, executive forums, and other customer engagement efforts to create even more mutual value for them and for our firm?"

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