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Walter Bettinger II - President and CEO Charles Schwab

 

Charles Schwab is a great example of a turn around story based on core vales and a belief in customers. For Charles Schwab Net Promoter® is the best way to measure that you are running your business on a core set of values.

 

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Walt related that the bad business practices at Charles Schwab started with charging account fees to their customers. Because they were chasing bad profits they soon saw their Net Promoter score drop to -34%.

 

How did Charles Schwab turn the business around?
It began with a leadership change when Chuck rejoined the company.  From here the company defined core principles based on what they truly believed as a business and these principles were focused on the customer.


As they continued to change their business model, the company expanded who had authority to make decisions and empowered those leaders.
Walt did his own research as well.  One of his first actions was to call the last 100 clients  that left and the last 100 employees that left to learn the answers to the problems Charles Schwab faced.

Based on these findings they developed a strategy based on values they believed in. This resulted in the four core pillars for the company:

 

  • Pricing values
  • Client success
  • Personalized relationship
  • Help and guidance

 

Because customers were key and employees were now empowered at the front lines to ensure positive customer experiences, they held these principles as key to the process:

 

  • Listening
  • Simplicity
  • Innovation
  • Service
  • Trusted relationships
  • Value
  • Honor
  • People

 

With these changes in place Charles Schwab has seen large growth in its Net Promoter ® Scores. To ensure employees were putting the customer first, they took the additional steps of taking compensation based on Net Promoter Scores off the table and have in place a zero tolerance for gaming the process.  This ensures that the employee doesn’t do anything that isn’t in the customer’s best interest.

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Richard Owen - CEO Satmetrix Co-author of Answering the Ultimate Question

 

Richard started us off with a view on the economy and what are the most important steps companies can take during this slow down.  I think Richard asked a good question, “Is flat the new up?” But really, the most important thing companies can focus on is their customers.


Key things companies should look at:

 

  1. Are you focused on customer retention which is a lot easier and more cost effective then custom acquisition
  2. Are companies making the right cuts, rather than cuts that will hurt customer loyalty long term
  3. Do you understand the economic value of Word of Mouth (WOM) or your promoters for your business.

 

DSC_6452.JPG Let’s Look at Advertising vs. Word of Mouth: Today Can advertising really be effective for long term growth? Companies can’t advertise their way out of trouble they have to focus on the customer’s experience. You can see this hold true when you look at the US auto industry and companies like Sprint both of which spend large advertising dollars but it has not resulted in increased sales. Today, the best customer service is now online retail where companies who invest in the customer experience, not advertising, are leading the way.  For example look at companies  like Overstock, Amazon, and Zappos.Deploying a Successful Net Promoter® Strategy: One theme that is consistent among the leading companies is that Net Promoter is really about a holistic approach that is part of the entire organization, not just the score. To truly be successful implementing a Net Promoter discipline requires change across the organization. Based on our findings, companies that are able to implement change management will be successful with their Net Promoter programs. Companies need to move away from business processes that do not work for them and learn how to create a radical shift in the organization.

 

 

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Brad Smith, President & CEO, Intuit

 

 

IMG_2138.JPG Brad Smith of Intuit gave us a preview of what a mature Net Promoter Discipline can look like in a company…and how it can be an underpinning of transformative work that is focused on delighting the customer. He opened by explaining that 81% of new sales for Intuit are attributable to Word of Mouth…so this isn’t just a nice to have. Having more promoters is central to their growth strategy. How did Intuit get to this point? It was clear from hearing Brad’s talk that he personally, and Intuit as a whole, had been using NPS and the core concepts of Net Promoter since the early days. He gave a compelling and concrete description of the phases of NPS adoption that they had passed through since starting with it in 2003. These phases may sound familiar to many companies who have been using Net Promoter: Phase 1: focused on the score. This is the ideas that most companies here about first…the Net Promoter Score. It’s obviously just a tiny part of what the concept is about, but it is the starting point for most companies who hear about Net Promoter. Phase 2: the verbatims. Brad pointed out that the next thing they did was dig into the verbatim comments. The big takeaway from this was that the customer experience was not just about the product. It was about the end-to-end experience for the customer. That’s the view from the outside in.

 

Phase 3: process mapping. Fix those detractors! That’s what happens next in nearly all companies. They see the feedback, and the squeaky wheels obviously need grease. In Intuit’s case, Brad described major investments they made to map out processes, improve them, and drive down the number of detractors. Nothing bad here, but it’s not the end of the story.

 

Phase 4: how to get more promoters. This is a big shift, and it requires a different mind set. Employees need to think about the things they can do to delight customers and generate more promoters. It’s usually hard for companies to focus on this until they have detractors under control. But it is crucial.

So, at this point, I would have thought the story was over. These are the four phases most companies talk to me about. But I think Brad appropriately added a fifth phase of adoption, which is critical to getting things right out of the gate (rather than going back to diagnose, fix, and improve)…

 

 

Phase 5: innovating with customers. Intuit focuses today on getting customers and employees to participate together in innovation. What’s interesting about this is not only the outcome you get in terms of the product and the customer experience, but also the fact that you can build more promoters by having them involved with your company in this process. They know they have a voice. It can also be a huge motivator for employees.

 

As a takeaway, Brad stressed three things to consider. The importance of leadership, the power of harnessing employee creativity, and the impact that co-innovation can have on word of mouth. Where is your company on this adoption path?

 

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Golden Rule Behavior

Posted by LWest Jan 26, 2009

Scott Baker, President & CEO, Paul Davis Restoration

Don Peacock, Franchise Owner, Paul Davis Restoration

 

Pairing a franchisee and a franchisor certainly made for an interesting session.  All day I had heard stories of hard-won lessons and triumph about what it meant to implement Net Promoter within four walls; I was really interested in learning how the team at PDR was able to pull it off with franchisees!

 

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As always, it all starts in making the choice to “go NP”. Baker mentioned that the reasons that Net Promoter was ideal for PDR were:

 

  • the system is simple
  • it serves as one, single “trackable” metric for busy franchise owners
  • although they had tried to improve customer loyalty, they weren’t able to make a big enough improvement – and they didn’t want to be satisfied with the status quo
  • it’s a way for franchisees to show differentiation without spending a lot of money on advertising
  • he felt the goal of Net Promoter would really resonate with franchisees

 

IMG_2104.JPG Once the decision was made, the PDR team set the goal of getting the homeowners themselves to recommend PDR to their insurance agents and adjusters.  Along they way, by using Net Promoter, they were able to make some correlations and learn some lessons it would have been very hard to learn or they may not have ever learned, like; a surge in sales sometimes results in a decrease in their Net Promoter Score –especially during an emergency or disaster. This is reasonable because during trying times the focus turns to helping as many needy people as possible and as a result some of the elements that drive Net Promoter Scores are not as prominent. They were also able to discern the top three causes of the creation and existence of detractors AND promoters.

 

Some causes of detractors are:

  • lack of communication
  • lack of timeliness and
  • challenges with quality of service and workmanship

 

Some causes of promoters are:

  • professionalism
  • timeliness and
  • quality work

 

No real shockers there, but it’s always good to identify what’s driving your NPS scores.

Team PDR decided to address some of the core reasons behind detractors by creating The Paul Davis Customer Experience Manual, which outlines the PDR keys to customer loyalty:

  • First contact is made with caring and compassion (many of the people who contact PDR do so because of a natural disaster or some other personal or family crisis)
  • Engagement (this is where they begin the process of developing a long term relationship with the customer)
  • Commitment (when they get the customer’s permission to proceed with the restoration work as outlined)
  • Fulfillment (when PDR gets an opportunity to actually do the work they’ve outlined and deliver on their promises)
  • Completion (the opportunity to create a long lasting relationship with the customer)
  • Continue (essentially “lather, rinse, repeat”)

 

But, the main cause of Net Promoter success at Peacock’s franchise is in requiring that everyone attend some sort of customer service programming for at least one hour every week.

 

Baker was careful to express that participation in Net Promoter is not mandatory for franchisees, but he was clear about stating that having a franchisee like Peacock to tout the benefits of using NP could not be paralleled.

 

To close the session, Baker and Peacock shared some lessons learned:

  • Golden Rule Behavior and Net Promoter appeals to candidates who want to do the right thing so when hiring employees, if there’s not a fit it’s obvious right away
  • It’s a good idea for franchisees to have their own awards ceremonies – it shows they’re committed to the process
  • High NPS scores have the potential to mask other problems, so don’t be lulled into complacency because of high scores – always look for ways to improve on your improvements and always look for the not-so-obvious ways you’re dropping the ball
  • Surveys that are sent closer to the actual time of the transaction get higher scores because the experience is still fresh in the mind of the customer.
  • Oh, yeah, and when workers wear “dust booties” over their work boots when coming inside and when they ask for permission to park their trucks and use the bathrooms – those actions always lead to a higher NPS. As a woman, I can totally see the logic in that!
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Steven Bernstein, Solutions Consultant, Satmetrix

 

IMG_2286.JPGSteve began his session on improving your NPS in Service and Support by asking the packed room who was able to show ROI on their systems. Very few hands went up. Steve went on to explain how these departments can evolve from cost to profit-center status by focusing on the economic value created by an increase in loyalty. He shared a Satmetrix client example showing that a 3% increase in satisfaction led to a 1% increase in loyalty. By quantifying the value of loyalty, Support and Service can gain recognition as a revenue generator in the organization. Steve then shared best practices for increasing loyalty in the areas of 1) operationalizing feedback and 2) changing employee behaviors. On the first point, he shared another client example (Virgin) where key loyalty drivers first were identified based on learning from transaction feedback. In the example customers were satisfied with their purchase, but seemed to be disgruntled when they received their first bill. Virgin therefore believed they had a billing department problem. However, when they looked across the customer experience, rather than simply evaluating the transaction level feedback, it turned out that there wasn't a billing problem at all. The billing event was only a trigger for a broader problem -- it was the moment that the buyer realized a missed expectation from what they were sold. It ended up being a sales problem. Steve stressed the importance of understanding the entire customer journey to identify the right drivers to focus on.

 

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Steve then talked about how to take action at three levels: front-line employees, management and executives. Front-line employees need to see the impact of their interactions and decisions on the customer experience. A great way to do this is by sharing areas for them to focus on, sharing supporting verbatim comments and being sure to celebrate success. Steve talked about the importance of communications from executives supporting the program and assigning internal champions. He also discussed how to enable action through a process that identifies which customers to engage, when they should be contacted, who is conducting the contact and what happens after the follow-up.

 

Steve ended his presentation on the subject of targets, especially as they relate to compensation. Steve emphasized the importance of score stability before creating a compensation program, aligning operational and structural goals, ensuring trustworthy data and the understanding the relevancy of NP impact at the right touch-points. In summary, Steve suggested reading the Satmetrix white paper "Can Support Drive Profitable Growth?"

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Michelle Robinson, Vice President and General Manager of Early Development North America, Covance

 

I couldn’t help but notice that there were subtle themes of conversion, confession, and salvation that ran through the conference this week.  Wait!  Did I attend a fundamentalist tent rally?  No, but what I learned is that taking a good hard look at the way your company treats customers can be as revealing as a religious experience.

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Of all the track presentations I participated in during the action-packed two days, the Covance story had the most profound effect on me. Part of that effect was caused by the rich and dynamic content shared.  But just as impactful was the poise, passion and humor in which Michelle told their story. As she skillfully related the journey she embarked upon several years early, this thought struck me; at one level the journey to a higher standard is a company story, but in the end, it’s deeply personal.

 

Michelle began her story with the admission that when she was hired and truly understood what is they wanted her to do, she was reluctant to embrace the task. After all, she was an experienced GE certified six sigma black belt with an MBA armed to the teeth for serious business. Now they wanted her to help the company live out its values?  Puleeeeese! But after seeing the result of the work the teams produced, she is now a true NPS convert and has taken the spirit and methodology into her new role as a business unit VP. (She took minute to pause and give credit to one of the key players in the Covance story, Laurie White.   She shared sad and sobering news from which she was still in shock. Just the weekend before, the pioneer of creating a client focused culture on her team had suddenly and unexpectedly passed away. Her contribution and spirit accounted for much of the team’s success and would be deeply missed). Truly personal.

 

It’s difficult to summarize the in-depth work this team did in three short years, so I encourage you to look through the entire presentation for details. In short, Covance is a drug development company for big pharmaceutical clients. They have long cycles and deal in big numbers. It’s a high stakes game for all involved. Clients measure them on Speed and Quality. A missed deadline may mean a client doesn’t go to market in time and is beat by the competition. Not good for creating loyalty.

 

With that as a back drop, they set about creating a culture that would engender client loyalty through service excellence. Their program, called Signature ClientService took their lead from a book written by Jim Clemmens and Barry Sheehy called ‘Firing on All Cylinders’. It had 3 key components:

 

  1. People – everyone from the chief bottle washer (yes, they have those on the team!) to the scientists, doctors, technicians and account managers had to understand their line of sight to the customer and what they contribute. They had to create a compelling environment in which people could do their best work.
  2. Process – using Process Improvement and Six Sigma methods, tools were available for everyone to use.
  3. Signature ClientService – Enhanced service that is fostered through understanding and exceeding customer expectations, supportable processes that make it easy to do business and a robust measurement system.

 

What was critical to making this all happen?  Again, it’s personal.  It takes individual leadership commitment and trust. It takes employees engaged in the rigor and fun of doing things different for the right reasons.  It also takes transparency and accountability.


Standards and measurements are rigorous and leaders encouraged and rewarded to hold to them. An example of this is that teams were encouraged to escalate issues through the CAIR process (Corrective Action Issue Resolution) which Michelle’s team facilitated. Every week this list is reviewed during a meeting for if and how well the issue was resolved. Leaders are measured not on how few issues were escalated but how MANY were. My favorite measure they use is the Do/Say ratio. Did the team do what they said they would do in the time they said they would do it?  All of these measurements are to encourage truth in reporting and create an environment excellence is valued, not perfection.

Results conclusively show this strategy works. The operating units with the highest CAIR numbers also consistently have the highest operating margins and NP scores. On top of all of this, employees are encouraged to participate in improvement efforts and create ways of wowing the customers in their roles, improving their everyday work environment. Accountability is also expected at the highest levels. While in her role, Michelle attended every Board of Director report to give them a status on how the company was doing with their client relationships.

 

The program continues to live on vibrantly at Convance, a testament to efforts of all employees to win the hearts and minds of their clients.  In the process, I suspect they have created a culture of which they are proud. Is the journey to a higher standard personal?  I think so.

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Melissa Namiot-Mader, Director, Business Systems Analysis and Loyalty Programs, Veritude

John Abraham, General Manager, Net Promoter Programs, Satmetrix

 

IMG_2073.JPGMelissa Namiot-Mader and Satmetrix’ own John Abraham had a bit of a ‘fireside chat’ session about how Veritude has leveraged Net Promoter processes to double their NPS inside 6 months and all but leave their competitors in the dust. Vertitude decided to use the NPS for several reasons:

 

 

  • to set themselves apart in the uber-competitive staffing industry
  • they were working very hard to land clients (and were successful in doing so), but now they wanted to train their focus on KEEPING those clients
  • using the Net Promoter approach really fit their industry and what they do as a company.

 

What got them to measurable improvement was a combination of a number of carefully thought out, consistent action-steps:

 

  • Veritude’s CEO walks the floor and takes a high-touch/open-door approach to dealing with employees.
  • They conduct surveys twice per year without fail
  • They conduct Net Promoter workshops and weave Net Promoter concepts into employee meetings
  • Net Promoter Scores are tied to compensation
  • All new hires are introduced to Net Promoter
  • All new executive officers are given a copy of “The Ultimate Question” and are debriefed on what role Net Promoter plays in the company
  • Each of their sites is required to do an annual Net Promoter action plan based on the verbatim feedback from the previous year. Only until they have created their action plan are they given their NPS from the previous year and then the scores are published publicly.
  • NPS questions have been randomly built into their online time recording software via a pop-up questionnaire. Employees answer questions like:
    • Have you heard from your staffing consultant recently?
    • Would you recommend this staffing consultant to a friend or colleague?

  • They’ve also kept it light by creating personas for promoters (a cheerleader), detractors (a devil with horns and pitchfork) and passives (the “Pat” character from Saturday Night Live)

 

IMG_2071.JPGWhen I asked Namiot-Mader what she would recommend for Net Promoter newbies, she advised that those interested in Net Promoter should make sure the Net Promoter approach is a good fit for their company and industry. She also suggested getting an executive sponsor or advocate. But, most of all she stressed DOING something with the data you collect. She cautioned not to try to address all the weak points at once, but to instead break the list down into manageable chunks – business line by business line if need be. As someone who has earned her Net Promoter Certification, Namiot-Mader encouraged the session participants to opt for certification because it’s good to go through implementing Net Promoter concepts with a group of people who are in the same position as you and whom you can bounce ideas off. Veritude has been effectively using Net Promoter in closed-loop for the past 2 years, but have been keeping track of their scores for the past 3 years and the results speak for themselves:

 

 

  • In 2007, their NPS doubled from 2006
  • In 2008, they exceeded their goals by 13 points
  • They have created a new standardized resume template and implemented a consistent resume submission process so that their customers are able to see the quality of their candidates
  • They implemented a new internal communication plan
  • And, more importantly, they were able to answer the tell-tale question: “What should we NOT be doing?”
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Deborah Eastman, CMO at Satmetrix

 

Deborah Eastman has a wealth of experience in running Net Promoter programs, from being both a direct practitioner and also helping clients optimize their own programs.

 

Deborah started off by reminding us that business buying decisions are complex – much more so than B2C experiences – since there are often so many more people involved in the buying decision.   Understanding the strength of those relationships can be challenging when so many people are involved.  When B2B customers leave, it’s often a big surprise; an effective Net Promoter program will fix that.

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Create a Program, not a Survey. Customers don’t care about surveys.  It is critical to show them that you care about the relationship and that you and the account team will take action.  In determining from whom to get feedback, Deborah advocated taking a hard look at the 80/20 rule: Since 80% of revenue often comes from 20% of customers, it’s important to give bigger customers a bigger voice.  And also make sure to understand the word-of-mouth effect inside a company – for example, end users are often important influencers of any buying decision and might have something important to say.

 

Part of a programmatic approach is to establish when the surveying process will take place.  In general, getting feedback only once a year is not a good practice as the approach fails to drive customer-centric thinking throughout the organization.  So Deborah instead has found that by splitting up the customer base into segments, and surveying “slices” of each segment (keeping in mind to not over-survey individual customers) on a regular (e.g. quarterly) basis.  This approach drives stability in the NPS while also ensuring NPS is top-of mind for all employees.  And role-based surveys, for example to differentiate end users from executives, are another important dimension and segmentation strategy to get he right feedback from the right people and drive the right results.

 

Deborah next advised that a communication strategy be a critical part of any NPS program.  Communicate both internally and externally what is happening, how the feedback will be acted upon, and how employees will be engaged in the process.  For example, by taking this approach within Satmetrix’ own Net Promoter program, account teams are much more engaged in the process, and so are clients.  Effective internal communication should ideally highlight the “wins” from the program:  Since account teams benefit from a Net Promoter program through improved relationships and generating cross-sell opportunities, it is critical to make sure everyone knows the real-world examples of where the program has produced new sales wins.

 

You’ll benefit from high response rates by recruiting responses through effective communication from both account teams and executive.  Effective recruiting includes:

 

  • Positioning the intent – why are you soliciting feedback?
  • Setting expectations about what you’ll do with the feedback

 

And finally, don’t forget the closed-loop process as a key part of the program.  An effective follow-up process drives action both operationally – within the account – and structurally – across the organizational silos – to prioritize overall investments.  Alerts from surveys generate the awareness for urgent operational follow-up, and then allow the account teams to improve relationships that ultimately improve your account teams’ top-line.

 

Effective governance drives effective behavior


There’s a tendency to link compensation to NPS, yet it is critical to make sure that gaming is avoided by instilling the value of the program vs. individual performance management. Deborah advised a strong focus on getting the contact data right and driving high response rates, and that this is balanced with using the data for employee performance management in order to avoid gaming (or, in fact, de-prioritizing the employee performance aspect in the early stages).  Don’t be tempted by linking NPS to compensation too soon – find the behavior you want to influence, and link accordingly to avoid gaming.

At the end of the day we care about revenue more than scores.  Link Net Promoter Scores to the value of the customer in order to know where to optimize the relationship by applying the right resources to the right accounts.

 

Deborah shared a few examples programs done right:

  • Orange Business Services realized a 150% increase in orders from accounts engaged in the program
  • Another large B2B company found a 39% improvement in follow-up meetings (sales opportunities!)
  • And HP found a 2x increase in sales from the participating account teams

 

While a Net Promoter program is not an easy task, the phenomenal results like these certainly provide the pay-off!

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NPS: the Transition from Survey to Discipline


Tammy Gallegos and Denise Wymore

 

“Companies don’t have values, people do.  What a company measures to manage their business shows what they truly value.”   Denise Wymore, a culture consultant who works with the credit union industry, provocatively began a lively overview of the ‘state of the credit union’, cultural trends, and economic times.   Tammy Gallegos, VP of Service Quality for America First Credit Union then shared how her organization is meeting the challenge head on.

 

Unlike the Baby Boomer generation whose values of consumerism and mantra of ‘spend more and get the best’, today’s Gen Y values echo those of the ‘Great Generation’;   the generation that came of age during the depression and triumphed during WWII:  patriotism, collaboration, and thrift.  This cultural trend and recent loss of confidence in banks in general have created an unprecedented opportunity for growth in an industry which garners only of 6% overall consumer banking.  But how can it be captured?

Fortunately, research was done several years ago by a consortium of credit unions that has positioned them to better understand what drives or inhibits loyalty in their members.   NPS was at the core of the research.  In a nutshell, what they learned was that a trip to the credit union was akin to a trip to the doctor’s office.  At best it needed to be done and at worst, it was just as painful.  Clearly steps need to be taken.

 

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Enter America First Credit Union, represented by Tammy Gallegos, VP of Service Quality.  “It takes seven miles for a ship to turn around at sea and likewise, it’s taken many years to get to the point where NPS has been fully adopted.”   In other words, in a tradition-bound industry the journey can be a slog.  Their journey began in 2002 with their first measurement of satisfaction factors at the branch level.  From that feedback they began to implement changes.   Once those were in place, a Mystery Shopper program began enabling visibility into the impact of those changes.  What became apparent was that while these programs were effective, a forward looking approach was needed to round out the program.   Enter NPS.

 

To add the Net Promoter methodology to their bag of tools, management had to buy-in. Once they realized there was a solid approach, the buy-in was not difficult.  The ‘past, present, future’ theme resonated well and they had feedback from over 20,000 members to back up recommended changes.

To introduce and gain the engagement of all employees, theyrolled out mandatory training which:

 

  • Enabled the sharing of experiences
  • Provided a forum for learning from mistakes
  • Goal setting
  • Send and reinforce a consistent message
  • Focusing on behaviors and not the score

 

Tammy cited several key changes that have increased member retention and improved teller accuracy:

 

  • Professionalism (adherence to a professional code policy that had been ignored until management began to read the impact of sloppy dressing had on perceptions).
  • Hours of operation are now standardized across all branches
  • Meet and greet interactions – consistently treating members as guests

 

From the sound of things, the progress won’t stop there.  The team now has goals to increase NPS to 85% and to increase members during this economic downturn.  Detractors will all be reached out to and a strategy is being developed to move Passives to Promoters by continuing to up-level their service standards according to their core values.    With this continued focus on the customer, they may just be able to buck the decades of stagnant growth for their industry and provide great value for their members.

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Word of Mouth Economics

Posted by MichelleS Jan 26, 2009

Vince Nowinski - Net Promoter Economics - Teleco/Wireless Industry

 

We know that loyal customers repurchase, buy more, refer, and give constructive feedback.
Still many companies struggle to determine the value of customer loyalty.

 

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What is the power of word of mouth (WOM) and what does that mean for your business?

 

Word of Mouth is accelerating across industries making the dynamics of WOM even more important. Studies have shown that word of mouth is 9X more trustworthy and that 60% of customers trust the info they get from on-line reviews.

 

WOM is not just an extension of your advertising program. There needs to be something compelling for people to share or you can’t get them talking about it.


Like with anything the more positive the experience the more likely that the WOM would be positive and that negative experiences will result in negative WOM.

 

If the customer experience aligns with the message in the marketing then there is a synergy that can drive WOM. But traditional market methods do not tend to impact WOM. So companies should be looking at the natural way to apply WOM.

 

• For more details on the specific methodology please download this whitepaper Exploring the Relationship Between Net Promoter and Word of Mouth in the Wirless Industry

 

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Ryan Magnon, Vice President Quality, The West Paces Hotel Group

 

When the founder of your hotel is a former Ritz Carlton executive and when you have a super-sized mission statement (“to be the global leader in the service business”), you’ve got some pretty big shoes to fill. And, it looks like the folks at West Paces are up for the challenge.

 

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Magnon shared a story about switching into casual attire while visiting one of their properties and talking with a guest in the bar. As a veritable undercover customer loyalty agent, Magnon sidled up to a guest and asked matter-of-factly, “So, what do you think of this place?” As the conversation went on, the guest informed him that he would pay almost 30% more NOT to stay at another hotel. Of course, eventually, Magnon revealed who he was, but that’s the kind of dedication and focus needed to drive Net Promoter Scores through the coffered ceilings at their exclusive resorts.

 

All West Paces employees carry around a 25-point service cannon card to remind them of their commitment to Net Promoter-level service. (Magnon was kind enough to bring some of the cards to the conference as samples.)

 

West Paces has been innovative in their approach to Net Promoter. They have created a “learning lab” where the latest and greatest West Paces ideas are tested on a closed “road” before hitting reality highway.

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How My M&Ms has bucked the trend and grown their business

 

Speakers: Tom Kehler, Satmetrix, and Claudio Pugliese, MARS Direct

 

How do you get your customers to feel that your brand is important to them?  Claudio Pugliese, who manages the Customer Care center for MARS My M&Ms, found first-hand that by genuinely engaging your customers in a conversation, your brand becomes more important to your customers, you create more Promoters, and the business grows.

 

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When My M&Ms first started their community reading the Detractor comments was “emotionally” difficult, but they were full of insights. And the comments from Promoters were also invaluable, yielding improvement ideas for both product and go-to-market. The critical element in both cases was around engaging their customers in dialogue, and to demonstrate through effective action and communication that they listened to customer feedback. Taking action – and then demonstrating that they listened – is critical to their success.

 

The results My M&Ms has achieved from taking action on feedback speaks for itself. Over 8 time periods since they started this approach, My M&Ms not only improved their NPS from 25% to now 58%, and even more significantly they’ve significantly grown sales. They’ve found that creating a superior customer experience leads to:

 

  • Enlisting more brand Promoters
  • Building brand loyalty
  • Activating positive Word of Mouth

 

Bottom-line is that by listening to the feedback from their customers they were able to grow their customer base (which also ordered more!).

 

As illustrative examples, the My M&Ms team implemented a few changes based on customer feedback:

 

  • They listened to customer complaints about pricing and adjusted it, resulting in larger orders per customer
  • They responded to customer requests for higher quality by introducing new inks and new capabilities
  • They adjusted their service policies, for example “no-questions-asked” returns

 

They started off averaging 14% repeat customer-order rate per period, and that has now grown significantly to a 25% repeat rate. More customers are ordering more, and in this economy My M&Ms has grown where their competitors are losing money.

 

How do they do it?

  1. My M&Ms established their online community with the important element to enable customers to join a club of influencers. And by demonstrating that the company listened and took direct action, customers talk more and provide further insights. Once you’ve established the relationship with Promoters, you have the ability to influence many more through those indirect connections
  2. NPS is part of everything they do. It tells them where to invest marketing dollars to get the greatest returns. It tells them which employees are creating Promoters. And it tells managers where to invest to ensure they are keeping their employees as Promoters.
  3. They are constantly looking at how they create more engaged customers, and they know that this is a measure of how important My M&Ms is to the customer.

 

In other words, Claudio tells us that they found that customers are looking to influence the companies they do business with.  If you talk to your customers they will talk to you.  Through their online community, My M&Ms has created a direct-to-consumer experience that allows them to engage. This works by asking open-ended questions and allowing customers to contribute ideas or select the ideas of others through the community platform.

 

Tom Kehler reminded us that engagement with your customers drives three major benefits:

 

  • Better products that your customers want to buy
  • Better marketing by letting your best customers tell you what resonates
  • Better word of mouth from engagement

 

Incidentally, Claudio started his talk by stating a critical success factor: “Make it easy.”  Claudio also closed his talk with a similar comment:  “Work across the internal organization, and make it easy for them to work with you on this important effort.  Put the information into terms that they need and understand.”

 

Well said.  Congratulations to the My M&Ms team for driving real business results through Net Promoter!

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Tony Hsieh, CEO, Zappos.com

 

Tony Hsieh has been speaking a lot lately at conferences. And when you hear the story of Zappos.com and it’s rise from $1.6 million in revenues in 2000 to $1 billion in revenues at the end of 2008, you can understand why people want to hear about it.

 

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What was refreshing for me was the amazing level of openness that Tony conveyed in his talk. They are so confident that they are building a great company, that they are not afraid to open the kimono.

 

I introduced Tony by sharing two personal stories that point out the power of Word of Mouth for the Zappos.com brand. I’ve actually never bought anything from Zappos personally, but my house is full of empty Zappos boxes, as my wife is a big promoter of their selection and service. I also shared a photo that one of our Satmetrix employees gave to me from his first visit to their facility in Henderson, Nevada, outside Las Vegas. The company gives tours of the facility, and ends the tour with a nice surprise. I won’t spoil it for those of you who have yet to visit there. I may check it out next time I’m in Vegas.

 

The brand simply inspired storytelling, and Tony explained that this is not entirely by accident. They focus deeply on the company culture (which is all about being the very best at customer service). And as Tony said, if you get the culture right, all the other good stuff follows…including good Word of Mouth and high Net Promoter Scores. Their NPS as measured internally has been running between 80-90%...which is pretty remarkable. But the balance of the discussion made it clear that they do a lot of specific things differently to generate so many promoters.

 

Tony talked about how “everyone is a little bit weird.” I personally identified with this a lot. I’ve got my quirks, and most of the people I know and love do to. People who don’t have quirks, or who mask them, are honestly not that interesting to me. That’s a big part of what makes us real and human…and I think it’s a bit of secret sauce in how Zappos is connecting emotionally with their customers.

 

They embrace this “differentness” in everything they do.

 

First of all with employees. Employees are encouraged to be themselves. They spend a lot of time selecting the right employees, making sure their values are customer service oriented. Then they put them all (everyone) through the same 5 week hands-on training program. They even offer to pay employees a sort of “departure bonus” after the first week of training if they don’t believe Zappos.com is the place for them. Tony explained that these practices help to get really committed individuals who are wired to fit with the company’s service-oriented culture. And it also allows them to unleash that creative energy at every point of customer interaction (without lots of complex policies and procedures). Now that’s different!

 

Process was next. They obviously do have processes…but again they seem to think of it differently. For example, they call their customer service team the “customer loyalty team.” That’s the ultimate goal right? You may service an automobile, but with people your goal is to make them loyal. How to do this? Well, their support team doesn’t “upsell,” they don’t measure call time, and if they don’t have the product in stock, the members of the loyalty team are encouraged to check 3 competitor websites to help the customer get what they want. Different, right?

 

Marketing and branding is different too. I loved it when Tony said that they have their 800 number at the top of every web page on their site. This contrasts radically with companies who are thinking of customer service as a cost, and try to make it hard to figure out how to call in for service. As Tony put it, the telephone is the best marketing tool out there. You get your customer’s undivided attention for 5 or 10 minutes to make a connection with them, and to establish who you are and what your brand is all about. Different again!

 

He wrapped up by reinforcing the 4 core things that he thinks companies need to get right to have a successful strategy:

 

  1. Vision: theirs is to deliver the best customer service. That’s it.
  2. Repeat Customers (not advertising): This is a big connection to the Net Promoter philosophy. Tony explained that they were forced to focus on repeat customers early on because of the dot com bust, but it has turned into one of their core metrics. They have gone from 20% repeat customers in the first 12 months, to over 50% today.
  3. Transparency: They are committed to being open and honest about who they are, and you can get a copy of the Zappos.com culture book (with messages from every employee), or connect directly with Tony online in blogs on twitter, you name it. They are committed to being open and honest.
  4. Culture: Their culture is their brand, and so it is for every company. Tony believes they are just 2 sides of the same coin.

 

Well put, Tony. Thanks for an inspiring and different view of how a company can operate.

 

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IMG_2226.JPGOur morning breakout track here at the NetPromoter Conference on Developing Customer Focus in Service Operations created a full house. Even though the speaker was Lindsay Notwell from Verizon, the room was full of customer zealots and NOT the Verizon Network folks that you see in their ads. If you, missed this session then you missed a great talk.Lindsay and the Verizon team are deeply engaged with NPS. They started just last year and have listened to over 2 million customers and have followed up with 750000 calls. The title for the presentation was “Getting Customer Religion: The Virtuous Circle of Listening and Delivering Great Service”, listening is really a key point. Lindsay made the point several times that if you survey, you must follow up and call back those customers who took the time to share their opinions. If they took the time to complain, then they want to help you improve. This is a great tip on how to turn detractors into promoters.
Lindsay pointed to some key success factors that seemed to also be a theme for the conference.  His key success factors were:

 

 

  • This must be a part of the C-level mandate. The C- suite must be believers
  • The right executive sponsors are a key to success
  • There needs to be a dedicated group driving program leadership, it can’t be just a part time job of many and it needs to be cross organizational
  • NPS has to become part of the DNA of company.

 

Beyond the survey, Lindsay noted that the hard work continues with the tactical work efforts that includes gaining employee engagement via training, consistent messaging and integration in all communications. The program also needs to be sustainable and cannot be viewed as the ‘program du jour’. NPS can’t be just the program for THIS year, or quarter or month, it must be durable.


He pointed out that the NPS score is not the goal, it is a symbol that helps you decide what to focus on to improve the customer experience. Using the verbatim, the actual words from the customers, is a powerful tool that allows everything from direct employee coaching to creating the rallying cry for the organization. Focus on the customer experience and the scores will come.


Does it work? Verizon uses NPS as a benchmark tool for a very competitive industry. They top the benchmark and recently have shown impressive financial results that match. The competition who does not hear you now and is at the bottom of the benchmark is leading the pack in losing customers, losing money and losing jobs. So, while NPS and customer experience is hard work, it seems to be worth it for Verizon.

 

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Walt Bettinger, President & CEO, Charles Schwab

 

Walt’s talk struck me as incredibly honest and inspiring. He was candid about the fact that Schwab had some major problems back in 2004 that forced them to make a major shift in management. He was also candid in admitting that companies don’t like to stand up and speak about their failures.

 

IMG_1992.JPG In this case, we got the benefit of hearing the story at the right point in time. Schwab HAS managed to make an amazing turnaround, and are in a position today that allows them to reflect back on what they were able to accomplish and share some great learnings and advice with us. Before Walt got started, he mentioned that he was proud to be running a financial institution that has NOT participated in TARP (the Troubled Assets Relief Program), and the crowd broke into spontaneous applause (yes, most of us in the room are taxpayers!). So I think he connected with our hearts (and our wallets) from the start. Let’s hear about how they set themselves up for the relatively strong position they are in today. The story starts in a familiar but not so friendly place for many companies, especially in the financial services industry. It was 2004, and they were plagued with major problems (especially in their retail division): bad profits in the form of nuisance fees, processes that made it hard for customers to deal with the same human being on multiple calls, tumbling net new assets (their key financial performance measure), and NPS of -34%. Chuck Schwab, founder of the company, stepped back in as CEO, and brought in a new management team (including Walt) from parts of the company that were performing better. And the changes began.

 

 

I noted in Walt’s bio that he started his career as an entrepreneur at the age of 22. And you could see that entrepreneurial style in the story he shared with us. He didn’t spend time focusing internally at first. Instead, he went straight to the customers and employees who had left Schwab in the previous 12 months, and talked to them himself. This listening process painted the picture he needed to reset the retail division’s strategy...not based on spreadsheets and new value propositions, but instead based on a set of values.

 

Walt went on to describe how he filtered these values into the new management team and the organization. Their core framework drew on two key pieces of work: the NPS framework, and Forrester’s work on customer benevolence. They coupled the closed loop feedback of Net Promoter with a LOT more direct customer interaction for all the retail division’s employees. In fact, today 9 out of 10 of their employees in the division deal directly with customers.

 

They also made a commitment to the idea that every customer matters. He told a compelling story of one customer who left Schwab, not because he himself was being charged lots of nuisance fees (the individual was affluent and receiving a different level of service), but the problem was that he noticed the companies policies at the time for entry level investors, and felt they were inconsistent with what he believed in. I wonder what that customer would have said about recommending to a friend or a colleague…

 

Over the course of the next 3-4 years, the retail business turned around its fortunes completely. As they changed their relationships with clients and invested in providing a lot more help and guidance (for free), those customers rewarded the company by staying with Schwab and referring friends and family members. Net Promoter Scores improved by 60 points, net transfers of assets quadrupled while competitors were mostly negative or flat, and the stock price more than doubled. Today, Schwab gets 55% of new retail clients from referrals.

 

Overall, this was an inspiring story with an amazing ending. It will be very interesting to see how all of this investment in culture and customer helps Schwab withstand the current turmoil of the financial markets. I think they are quite fortunate to have done this work over the past 4 years. So don’t  be surprised if Schwab continues to surprise us with great stuff.

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Richard made a pretty compelling call for investing in customer experience rather than advertising, especially with the economy in a shambles.

 

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The next story Richard told was that of the defunct retailer. He pointed out how retailing is increasingly moving online. Moreover, 3 of the top 4 retailers in customer service, according to one industry, are online retailers Amazon.com, Overstock.com, and Zappos.com. Richard highlighted that these companies focused primarily on great customer experience, service, and product selection…NOT on advertising.

 

Zappos is speaking later this morning, so I’m looking forward to hearing more about what they are getting right.

 

Finally, Richard turned to the topic of change management. I work with Richard, so I know that he is an avid pilot. And he wrote a blog back in December that compared FAA training for pilots to Leadership of a major corporation. If your pilot lacks the skill to prevent the plane from getting into what he called an “unusual attitude,” then it is very UNLIKELY that the pilot can recover from it. So it goes for leadership too. Can leaders who institute bad profit policies and get companies into a mess with their customers really be expected to fix the problem. Or do you need new leadership?

 

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Aman Verjee- CFO, eBay

Kellie Cobaugh - Senior Manager Loyalty Insights- eBay

 

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When ebay first began looking at their customers they started with measuring customer satisfaction but the data was not actionable and not intuitive for the customer. Today, eBay is using the Net Promoter Score (NPS) which they see as pivotal to linking the customers, and their experience to financials. They believe future company growth will migrate from their traditional customer acquisition model to customer retention through a deepening of customer relationships.

 

As many of the sessions covered, eBay has found that having a cross functional team dedicated to driving the Net Promoter program and support from senior management has really made the program successful, and has help to get engagement from the whole organization. eBay also has spent a great deal of time looking at the economics of the program and from this developed the Net Promoter Economic (NPE) program

 

Using predictive modeling - these analytics let you predict the score someone would give you based on others like them. They look at core data like dollars spent each month, churn rate, etc. in each case Promoters had better numbers. In some cases while you may not see spend increase with top promoters, you may see churn reduce. The largest lifts come from moving Detractors towards Promoters, for eBay it means moving Detractors to Passive will bring the greatest results. The critical thing is to look at customers that are detracting and really focus on why

 

eBay’s Advice

 

  • The NPE program - If I knew then what I know now
  • Bring in NPE efforts as soon as you start an NPS program
  • Be clean about how long it takes to get these programs really working
  • Have a consistent data gathering process
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Steve Dee - Senior Vice President and Head of Client Loyalty- Swiss Reinsurance

 

Swiss RE’s Net Promoter® program is focused on its largest B to B customers. The challenge is how can they show results  and demonstrate the differences between promoters and detractors when the stake holders do all the big deals.

 

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Swiss RE started by determining the over all Net Promoter® Score (NPS) baseline for all clients. From there they looked at the NPS for each individual and then measured rate adequacy by client against the NPS. So based on the number the respondents from a client they can look at how many are a rate adequacy as a promoter or detractor.

 

Once they spend the first year getting a real good baseline they began to look at what they could do to grow their numbers and determine the strengths and weaknesses across various touch points.

Today, Swiss RE primarily evaluates the NPS by business teams, but they also find it useful to overlay against product lines. The client teams identify any detractors or clients that request a follow-up and these clients are automatically called usually with in 48 hours.

 

Swiss RE has found that attribute analysts becomes more important for ensuring trustworthy data and to drive change in the organization.  They examine closely the NPS of their core clients to determine the key drivers.  To improve the knowledge base of their account teams working with key clients, they have increased the time they spend in front of clients.  This has resulted in increasing knowledge and expertise 25 points in a year.


Swiss RE has found that using Net Promoter and the Satmetrix operating model is the absolute way to be best in class in Net Promoter implementation.

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