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Tony Hsieh - CEO Zappos.com


Building a Brand that Matters

How many people have bought from Zappos? That’s a good question. According to the Net Promoter® Conference audience, a lot.


And the reason is because Zappos is focused on providing the best customer service and creating the most loyal customers. It is a mantra that is the corner stone of its corporate culture.

 

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Word of Mouth is Key


This is a business based on customer focus, creating repeat customers and driving Word of Mouth. They tried a large advertising campaign once but found they saw little rewards. Now the company takes the money that it would have been spent on advertising and puts it back into the customer experience.

Where a lot of companies are trying to lessen the amount of contact/calls from customers, Zappos wants to speak to the customers. They take about 5000 calls a day plus live chat, twitter, and emails. They want to create a complete word of mouth experience. One thing they’ve noticed is that when they do a random survey their Net Promoter Score (NPS)  is 83, but when they do the survey via phone their score raises to NPS 90. So Zappos is going to keep speaking with its customers as much as possible with the goal to build long term customer relationships.

 

To this end, everyone in the company goes through the same training as customer service, plus 2 weeks on the phone and training on twitter. Zappos believes that if the company is going to focus on customer service then everyone needs to be focused on customer service. Culture fit is key to the organization and every employee needs to believe in the core values.


Four things to building long term brand:

 

  1. Vision- chase the vision not the money. Their vision be about the very best customer service.
  2. Repeat customers- choose and focus on great product and great service
  3. Transparency - Be real and you have nothing to fear
  4. Culture - Committable core values:


  10. Be humble
    9. Be passionate
    8. Do more with less
    7. Build a positive team and family spirit
    6. Build open and honest relationship with commendations
    5. Pursue growth and learning
    4. Be adventurous, creative, and open minded
    3. Create fun and a little weirdness
    2. Embrace and drive change
    1. Deliver WOM through service

 

Zappos is owning the 3C - Clothing, Customer Service, and Culture and Zappos is all about delivering happiness to the customers and its employees.

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Tony Hsieh, CEO, Zappos.com

 

Tony Hsieh has been speaking a lot lately at conferences. And when you hear the story of Zappos.com and it’s rise from $1.6 million in revenues in 2000 to $1 billion in revenues at the end of 2008, you can understand why people want to hear about it.

 

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What was refreshing for me was the amazing level of openness that Tony conveyed in his talk. They are so confident that they are building a great company, that they are not afraid to open the kimono.

 

I introduced Tony by sharing two personal stories that point out the power of Word of Mouth for the Zappos.com brand. I’ve actually never bought anything from Zappos personally, but my house is full of empty Zappos boxes, as my wife is a big promoter of their selection and service. I also shared a photo that one of our Satmetrix employees gave to me from his first visit to their facility in Henderson, Nevada, outside Las Vegas. The company gives tours of the facility, and ends the tour with a nice surprise. I won’t spoil it for those of you who have yet to visit there. I may check it out next time I’m in Vegas.

 

The brand simply inspired storytelling, and Tony explained that this is not entirely by accident. They focus deeply on the company culture (which is all about being the very best at customer service). And as Tony said, if you get the culture right, all the other good stuff follows…including good Word of Mouth and high Net Promoter Scores. Their NPS as measured internally has been running between 80-90%...which is pretty remarkable. But the balance of the discussion made it clear that they do a lot of specific things differently to generate so many promoters.

 

Tony talked about how “everyone is a little bit weird.” I personally identified with this a lot. I’ve got my quirks, and most of the people I know and love do to. People who don’t have quirks, or who mask them, are honestly not that interesting to me. That’s a big part of what makes us real and human…and I think it’s a bit of secret sauce in how Zappos is connecting emotionally with their customers.

 

They embrace this “differentness” in everything they do.

 

First of all with employees. Employees are encouraged to be themselves. They spend a lot of time selecting the right employees, making sure their values are customer service oriented. Then they put them all (everyone) through the same 5 week hands-on training program. They even offer to pay employees a sort of “departure bonus” after the first week of training if they don’t believe Zappos.com is the place for them. Tony explained that these practices help to get really committed individuals who are wired to fit with the company’s service-oriented culture. And it also allows them to unleash that creative energy at every point of customer interaction (without lots of complex policies and procedures). Now that’s different!

 

Process was next. They obviously do have processes…but again they seem to think of it differently. For example, they call their customer service team the “customer loyalty team.” That’s the ultimate goal right? You may service an automobile, but with people your goal is to make them loyal. How to do this? Well, their support team doesn’t “upsell,” they don’t measure call time, and if they don’t have the product in stock, the members of the loyalty team are encouraged to check 3 competitor websites to help the customer get what they want. Different, right?

 

Marketing and branding is different too. I loved it when Tony said that they have their 800 number at the top of every web page on their site. This contrasts radically with companies who are thinking of customer service as a cost, and try to make it hard to figure out how to call in for service. As Tony put it, the telephone is the best marketing tool out there. You get your customer’s undivided attention for 5 or 10 minutes to make a connection with them, and to establish who you are and what your brand is all about. Different again!

 

He wrapped up by reinforcing the 4 core things that he thinks companies need to get right to have a successful strategy:

 

  1. Vision: theirs is to deliver the best customer service. That’s it.
  2. Repeat Customers (not advertising): This is a big connection to the Net Promoter philosophy. Tony explained that they were forced to focus on repeat customers early on because of the dot com bust, but it has turned into one of their core metrics. They have gone from 20% repeat customers in the first 12 months, to over 50% today.
  3. Transparency: They are committed to being open and honest about who they are, and you can get a copy of the Zappos.com culture book (with messages from every employee), or connect directly with Tony online in blogs on twitter, you name it. They are committed to being open and honest.
  4. Culture: Their culture is their brand, and so it is for every company. Tony believes they are just 2 sides of the same coin.

 

Well put, Tony. Thanks for an inspiring and different view of how a company can operate.

 

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Richard made a pretty compelling call for investing in customer experience rather than advertising, especially with the economy in a shambles.

 

Richard.JPG Sprint was one of his main examples: a company that has had trailing Net Promoter scores in the telecomm space for several years, and is now investing heavily in trying to turn the company around under its new CEO. Most of us have seen the ads, right? The problem is, Sprint’s NPS is negative, and they are trailing the leader in the space (Verizon) by about a 50 point gap, as Richard pointed out. In fact, Satmetrix recently ran the U.S. Net Promoter Industry benchmarks in December 2008 (they aren’t released yet, but my group runs them, so I got a preview of the data which I’ll share with you here). Sprint is still trailing Verizon by over 50 points on the NPS scale (remember, the scale goes from -100 to +100), but even worse, they are trailing the next best competitor by more than 20 point. So the story hasn’t changed much in the telecomm space over the last 2 year, despite their advertising efforts. As a former Sprint customer, I do have to them credit for one thing. About a year ago, I had a customer service problem, and then was asked to complete a short survey to give them my feedback. Guess what…I actually did receive a call back from their customer service group. And it’s an experience that I won’t forget. I was not a detractor for Sprint…more of a passive. And the reason we moved our family’s plan off of Sprint really had nothing to do with their service. It was because my wife got an iPhone!

 

The next story Richard told was that of the defunct retailer. He pointed out how retailing is increasingly moving online. Moreover, 3 of the top 4 retailers in customer service, according to one industry, are online retailers Amazon.com, Overstock.com, and Zappos.com. Richard highlighted that these companies focused primarily on great customer experience, service, and product selection…NOT on advertising.

 

Zappos is speaking later this morning, so I’m looking forward to hearing more about what they are getting right.

 

Finally, Richard turned to the topic of change management. I work with Richard, so I know that he is an avid pilot. And he wrote a blog back in December that compared FAA training for pilots to Leadership of a major corporation. If your pilot lacks the skill to prevent the plane from getting into what he called an “unusual attitude,” then it is very UNLIKELY that the pilot can recover from it. So it goes for leadership too. Can leaders who institute bad profit policies and get companies into a mess with their customers really be expected to fix the problem. Or do you need new leadership?

 

Our next presenter may give us a view into how this transpired at Charles Schwab.

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